23:01 -!- jds2001 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora BufZappers meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings/Agenda-2008-Feb-13
23:01 < EvilBob> Howdy Buoys
23:01 < jds2001> who's here?
23:01 < jds2001> howdy EvilBob :)
23:01  * nirik is here.
23:01 -!- jds2001 changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: Fedora BugZappers meeting - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings/Agenda-2008-Feb-13
23:02 < jds2001> and we are not the BufZappers :)
23:02  * ivazquez is lurking
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23:02 < inode0> I am a BufZapper
23:03 < jds2001> no kennyp?
23:03 < jds2001> he's the reason i'm doing this at this hour :)
23:03 < jds2001> oh well.
23:04 < jds2001> poelcat: you around?
23:04 < jds2001> guess not...old items that the owners are around....
23:05  * jds2001 has metrics - no progress :(
23:05 < jds2001> except i can get reports out of bugzilla sans cookies
23:05 < jds2001> by hardcode user/pass in the URL, though :(
23:06 < jds2001> oh well, it happens on my workstation, i don't care that much about that.
23:06 < jds2001> inode0: any progress on university stuffage?
23:07  * jds2001 made a BugZappers/TargetAudience page
23:07 < inode0> uh, no - busy giving speeches, time should be available again for me now
23:08 < jds2001> cool :)
23:08 < jds2001> the rest the owners are not here, unless someone has an update
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23:08 < jds2001> got some mail this evening that poelcat has been doing wiki work.
23:09 < inode0> what about training? I would be a willing guinnea pig
23:09 < inode0> need to sign up somewhere iirc
23:09 < jds2001> ok, great.
23:09 < jds2001> yes, at BugZappers/Training with a preferred time.
23:09 < nirik> any signups so far?
23:10 < jds2001> one, but it's not been really announced.
23:10 < loupgaroublond> is training being documented so people can read it during off hours?
23:10 < jds2001> loupgaroublond: yes, although we also plan on having multiple sessions.
23:11 < jds2001> to physically get to as many folks as possible
23:11 < loupgaroublond> gotcha
23:12 < jds2001> no slide deck as yet, either.  that's a blocker.....
23:13 < jds2001> poelcat has likely been buried in rhel-land, not sure.
23:13 < loupgaroublond> ah
23:14 < jds2001> new business...
23:14 < jds2001> lemme go look up something real quick..
23:16  * jds2001 was looking for comments on https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-February/msg00203.html
23:17 < jds2001> it seems to have landed in everyone's bit bucket, though :P
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23:19 < nirik> yeah, it looked ok to me...
23:19 < jds2001> not me....i need to find better verbiage around the wiki editing part.
23:19 < jds2001> i think that part sucks - the rest is fine by me :)
23:20 < jds2001> i was looking for some suggestions there :)
23:20 -!- evil_steve [n=evil_ste@203.0.155.20] has joined #fedora-meeting
23:20 < jds2001> it seems negative telling folks they can't edit the wiki til they jump through some hoops
23:20 < jds2001> evil_steve: glad you could join!
23:20 < evil_steve> :)
23:21 < evil_steve> a little late, but here none the less
23:21 < jds2001> while it has the benefit of being true, i need it phrased in a more positive light
23:23 < EvilBob> Does this have to do with the OMG Cookies!! people with the tinfoil hats?
23:23 < jds2001> lol
23:23  * jds2001 was looking for comments on https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2008-February/msg00203.html
23:24 < jds2001> for the benefit of evil_steve who showed up late :)
23:24 < inode0> someone named max seemed to suggest more hand holding helping people cross that hurdle in something I read tonight
23:25 < jds2001> yes, i just need to make it clear that there are lots of hands to be held.
23:25 < EvilBob> "If you want to play with us signing the CLA is required"
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23:26 < jds2001> btw, I think the outcome of my conversation with spoleeba was that click-through CLA will be fine when it comes.
23:27 < inode0> is there a reasonable place on freenode to send people for help with that?
23:27 < jds2001> good question....i said #fedora-qa in the mail.
23:27 < loupgaroublond> jds2001, in that paragraph about not needing programming skills...
23:28 < inode0> I take it that it isn't really a test of competency to weed people out
23:28 < jds2001> and i'm normally there and can help
23:28 < EvilBob> inode0: help with the CLA as it exists now, the -qa, -devel or -admin should all be able to help
23:28 < loupgaroublond> ...i think it might be good to add a sentence or two about how you are looking for people with people skills, who can communicate, etc... (although i might just be painting the bike shed green)
23:29 < inode0> but does someone trying to do it know that? I don't recall seeing it but I wasn't really looking for help when I did it.
23:29 < jds2001> loupgaroublond: sounds good, thought that was already there.
23:29 < EvilBob> I don't have people skills unless hating people counts
23:29 < jds2001> i wasn't looking for help either....the instructions on the wiki were crystal clear to me.
23:30 < evil_steve> hrm
23:30 < jds2001> but that may not be the case for some folks
23:30 < inode0> it isn't
23:30 < loupgaroublond> EvilBob, it only counts if you can do it well
23:31 < inode0> people skills == can be yelled at and still be nice to the person filing the bug?
23:31 < jds2001> i think that spevack mentioned trying to get the marketing folks in was....educational.
23:31 < jds2001> and he can physically go walk them through it.
23:32 < inode0> yes, but the positive vibe resulting might be something achievable via irc for some too - or not
23:32 < jds2001> inode0: yes....
23:33  * evil_steve realises he might need to wait before creating his account until he has his ssh key handy. and his gpg key.
23:33 < jds2001> i'll try and rework the wording a bit....
23:34 < jds2001> basically sending folks to -qa for help
23:35 < jds2001> next is training dates....
23:36 < jds2001> and when i send the announcement to the world, too.
23:36 < nirik> well, it would be nice to have some training materials ready...
23:36 < nirik> the dates might also depend on when it best for the most number of people.
23:36 < jds2001> yes, of course :)
23:37  * jds2001 doesn't want our wiki pages to have our disclaimer on them anymore when i send the announcement out either
23:37  * jds2001 probably needs to work directly with poelcat on that.
23:39 < EvilBob> evil_steve: if you need any help when the time comes let us know
23:40 < evil_steve> EvilBob: with what?
23:41 < jds2001> evil_steve: the CLA
23:41 < EvilBob> evil_steve: setting up your FAS account
23:41 < EvilBob> evil_steve: the CLA and such
23:41 < evil_steve> the problem I have atm is that both keys (gpg and ssh) are at home, and I'm at work.
23:42 < jds2001> we done?
23:43 < jds2001> guess so
23:43 < evil_steve> yeah
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